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	<title>Comments on: High West &#8220;Bourye&#8221;&#8211;a blend of straight rye and bourbon whiskeys!</title>
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		<title>By: David Perkins</title>
		<link>http://www.whiskyadvocateblog.com/2009/09/28/high-west-bourye-a-blend-of-straight-rye-and-bourbon-whiskeys/#comment-11540</link>
		<dc:creator>David Perkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all,
I apologize for taking so long to reply.  Hopefully this reply won&#039;t get lost in the archives of John&#039;s blog.
- Gary: thanks a million for the history.  I was sure we weren&#039;t the first to do this.  Its awfully hard to be original these days.  But back to the ad, yes, even a 1% component or change in a component can have a big impact on the final taste.  We sure noticed it esp with the 16 year old rye.  The old juice adds significant richness and we spent alot of time dialing that in.
- Dutch and Sam: the final &quot;blended mashbill&quot; is not an exact 50/50 mix of corn and rye.  I&#039;ll leave that as a mystery as thats our &quot;special sauce&quot;.
- Abinash: all the whiskies came from different distilleries!

Regards,
David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all,<br />
I apologize for taking so long to reply.  Hopefully this reply won&#8217;t get lost in the archives of John&#8217;s blog.<br />
- Gary: thanks a million for the history.  I was sure we weren&#8217;t the first to do this.  Its awfully hard to be original these days.  But back to the ad, yes, even a 1% component or change in a component can have a big impact on the final taste.  We sure noticed it esp with the 16 year old rye.  The old juice adds significant richness and we spent alot of time dialing that in.<br />
- Dutch and Sam: the final &#8220;blended mashbill&#8221; is not an exact 50/50 mix of corn and rye.  I&#8217;ll leave that as a mystery as thats our &#8220;special sauce&#8221;.<br />
- Abinash: all the whiskies came from different distilleries!</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
David</p>
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		<title>By: Texas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 20:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary I am fascinated by old whisk(e)y.  That was really very interesting.</description>
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		<title>By: sam k</title>
		<link>http://www.whiskyadvocateblog.com/2009/09/28/high-west-bourye-a-blend-of-straight-rye-and-bourbon-whiskeys/#comment-11026</link>
		<dc:creator>sam k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary, please do let us know how it turns out!  I&#039;m also curious which whiskey you have that will provide that elusive &quot;tang.&quot;

I could be mistaken, but I think the Michter&#039;s proportions had corn in the lead, not rye, and I still have issues with the veracity of those numbers, anyway...but that&#039;s for another time and place.

Always a pleasure!

Sam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary, please do let us know how it turns out!  I&#8217;m also curious which whiskey you have that will provide that elusive &#8220;tang.&#8221;</p>
<p>I could be mistaken, but I think the Michter&#8217;s proportions had corn in the lead, not rye, and I still have issues with the veracity of those numbers, anyway&#8230;but that&#8217;s for another time and place.</p>
<p>Always a pleasure!</p>
<p>Sam</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Gillman</title>
		<link>http://www.whiskyadvocateblog.com/2009/09/28/high-west-bourye-a-blend-of-straight-rye-and-bourbon-whiskeys/#comment-10947</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Gillman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Sam, for that information.  I think the non-pure bourbon and pure rye blends of straight whiskeys, in addition possibly to combining rye and bourbon, might have had some whiskey which was straight (distilled under 160, aged &gt;2 years in new charred oak) but no grain of which exceeded 50%.  A whiskey, like, say, Michter&#039;s Original Sour Mash, which I know you were familiar with, Sam.  (50% rye, 38% corn, the rest barley malt).

How could 1% very old whiskey help the bouquet?  It seems so little.  But due to the detail of this old ad, I&#039;d like to think the company put a lot of thought into it and the results were as promised.

I might make a small batch of my own Schenley 1941-style straight whiskey blend, I have the whiskeys of the ages and characteristics needed.  It will be bourbon in this case.  I will call it my &quot;MacArthur blend&quot; in honor of the subject of the cover of that issue of Life magazine.  If I do this I will put a note here of the results.

Gary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Sam, for that information.  I think the non-pure bourbon and pure rye blends of straight whiskeys, in addition possibly to combining rye and bourbon, might have had some whiskey which was straight (distilled under 160, aged &gt;2 years in new charred oak) but no grain of which exceeded 50%.  A whiskey, like, say, Michter&#8217;s Original Sour Mash, which I know you were familiar with, Sam.  (50% rye, 38% corn, the rest barley malt).</p>
<p>How could 1% very old whiskey help the bouquet?  It seems so little.  But due to the detail of this old ad, I&#8217;d like to think the company put a lot of thought into it and the results were as promised.</p>
<p>I might make a small batch of my own Schenley 1941-style straight whiskey blend, I have the whiskeys of the ages and characteristics needed.  It will be bourbon in this case.  I will call it my &#8220;MacArthur blend&#8221; in honor of the subject of the cover of that issue of Life magazine.  If I do this I will put a note here of the results.</p>
<p>Gary</p>
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		<title>By: sam k</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff, Gary!  In perusing a 1936 Pennsylvania State Store price guide, there are categories for &quot;Blends of Straight Rye Whiskeys,&quot; &quot;Blends of Straight Bourbon Whiskeys,&quot; and &quot;Blends of Straight Whiskeys&quot; (presumably rye and bourbon together, though some still have the word &quot;rye&quot; in the name of the brand).

In all of the straight whiskey categories in this guide, those distilled in PA are noted as such, though the blends  are not, presumably because they may have contained whiskey from other states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff, Gary!  In perusing a 1936 Pennsylvania State Store price guide, there are categories for &#8220;Blends of Straight Rye Whiskeys,&#8221; &#8220;Blends of Straight Bourbon Whiskeys,&#8221; and &#8220;Blends of Straight Whiskeys&#8221; (presumably rye and bourbon together, though some still have the word &#8220;rye&#8221; in the name of the brand).</p>
<p>In all of the straight whiskey categories in this guide, those distilled in PA are noted as such, though the blends  are not, presumably because they may have contained whiskey from other states.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hansell</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Hansell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Gary. Very interesting.</description>
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		<title>By: Gary Gillman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Gillman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, recently I was looking at advertisements for bourbon whiskey in old magazines.  

Here is one from 1941, from Life magazine, it is on page 66, if it does not appear when you click on the lick, scroll to PAGE 66 using the page counter at the top (next to contents):

http://books.google.com/books?id=Yk4EAAAAMBAJ&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=gbs_hp#v=onepage&amp;q=bourbon&amp;f=false

This is even for the time an unusually detailed advertisement.  The product advertised was a blend of straight whiskeys.  Schenley offered two versions, one all-bourbon, one all-rye.  The make up was 3 whiskeys 5 years old each, one 6 years old, and the last 11 years old.  

The ad tells us the precise percentage of each, note that the 11 year old went in at only 1% and the 6 year old at 11%, almost of all the contents were therefore 5 years old but there were 3 of these latter, each having an assigned role in the blend.  The ad also gives the blender&#039;s rationale for using each type: one gave body, one &quot;tang&quot;, one &quot;aroma&quot; (the oldest one) and so on.  I&#039;ll bet this was a fine product, clearly it was carefully thought through and tested.

This is typical of how a blend of straight whiskeys was put together in the 1930&#039;s and 1940&#039;s at any rate. 

Clearly the whiskeys would have been sourced at different distilleries.  Schenley would have made some of them in Schenley, PA,, but not all.  (If they were all made at Schenley and each type was all-bourbon or all-rye as stated, it would have been possible I think under the law to call it simply straight bourbon or rye whiskey - the reason to state a blend was I think the provenance of some of the whiskeys from other distilleries or out of State).

This gives a pretty good idea how it was done then.  I think one could extend the formula in different ways, e.g., for a luxury blend, just double the ages of everything, although no doubt each company had its own blends worked out for the different qualities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, recently I was looking at advertisements for bourbon whiskey in old magazines.  </p>
<p>Here is one from 1941, from Life magazine, it is on page 66, if it does not appear when you click on the lick, scroll to PAGE 66 using the page counter at the top (next to contents):</p>
<p><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=Yk4EAAAAMBAJ&#038;printsec=frontcover&#038;source=gbs_hp#v=onepage&#038;q=bourbon&#038;f=false" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=Yk4EAAAAMBAJ&#038;printsec=frontcover&#038;source=gbs_hp#v=onepage&#038;q=bourbon&#038;f=false</a></p>
<p>This is even for the time an unusually detailed advertisement.  The product advertised was a blend of straight whiskeys.  Schenley offered two versions, one all-bourbon, one all-rye.  The make up was 3 whiskeys 5 years old each, one 6 years old, and the last 11 years old.  </p>
<p>The ad tells us the precise percentage of each, note that the 11 year old went in at only 1% and the 6 year old at 11%, almost of all the contents were therefore 5 years old but there were 3 of these latter, each having an assigned role in the blend.  The ad also gives the blender&#8217;s rationale for using each type: one gave body, one &#8220;tang&#8221;, one &#8220;aroma&#8221; (the oldest one) and so on.  I&#8217;ll bet this was a fine product, clearly it was carefully thought through and tested.</p>
<p>This is typical of how a blend of straight whiskeys was put together in the 1930&#8242;s and 1940&#8242;s at any rate. </p>
<p>Clearly the whiskeys would have been sourced at different distilleries.  Schenley would have made some of them in Schenley, PA,, but not all.  (If they were all made at Schenley and each type was all-bourbon or all-rye as stated, it would have been possible I think under the law to call it simply straight bourbon or rye whiskey &#8211; the reason to state a blend was I think the provenance of some of the whiskeys from other distilleries or out of State).</p>
<p>This gives a pretty good idea how it was done then.  I think one could extend the formula in different ways, e.g., for a luxury blend, just double the ages of everything, although no doubt each company had its own blends worked out for the different qualities.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 17:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope that makes it&#039;s way east. I would love to give it a try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope that makes it&#8217;s way east. I would love to give it a try.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hansell</title>
		<link>http://www.whiskyadvocateblog.com/2009/09/28/high-west-bourye-a-blend-of-straight-rye-and-bourbon-whiskeys/#comment-10737</link>
		<dc:creator>John Hansell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 10:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abinash, I doubt they are from the same distillery. He didn&#039;t say. I don&#039;t know the final composition and what they can call it. I think he probably can only call it what he has on the label: a blend of straight whiskeys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abinash, I doubt they are from the same distillery. He didn&#8217;t say. I don&#8217;t know the final composition and what they can call it. I think he probably can only call it what he has on the label: a blend of straight whiskeys.</p>
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		<title>By: Abinash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abinash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 06:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are the components from the same distillery? Can this kind of blends be called bourbon or rye according to US law?</description>
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		<title>By: Gary Gillman</title>
		<link>http://www.whiskyadvocateblog.com/2009/09/28/high-west-bourye-a-blend-of-straight-rye-and-bourbon-whiskeys/#comment-10723</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Gillman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, I am sure it is an excellent product. The company&#039;s Rendezvous, which combines a 6 and 16 year old straight rye, is very good indeed.

Up until the 1950&#039;s or so it was not uncommon to see a blend of straight whiskeys.  It might be a combination of all-rye whiskeys, or all-bourbon whiskeys, or some of each type.  Also, straight whiskeys that were not bourbon or rye, e.g., a straight whiskey of which no grain reached more than 50%, were sometimes blended with bourbon or ryes.  Essentially all this is a kind of vatting in Scots terms (or the older terminology at any rate) but it has its own independent history in the U.S. and it is great to see modern examples.  

The Rendezvous has a light but creamy taste and there is a mango-like note (or maybe tangerine or lemon) which adds good complexity.  A fine product again which deserves the attention of any fan of American whiskey and its traditions.  Based on the quality of Rendezvous I will certainly seek out this new product.

Gary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, I am sure it is an excellent product. The company&#8217;s Rendezvous, which combines a 6 and 16 year old straight rye, is very good indeed.</p>
<p>Up until the 1950&#8242;s or so it was not uncommon to see a blend of straight whiskeys.  It might be a combination of all-rye whiskeys, or all-bourbon whiskeys, or some of each type.  Also, straight whiskeys that were not bourbon or rye, e.g., a straight whiskey of which no grain reached more than 50%, were sometimes blended with bourbon or ryes.  Essentially all this is a kind of vatting in Scots terms (or the older terminology at any rate) but it has its own independent history in the U.S. and it is great to see modern examples.  </p>
<p>The Rendezvous has a light but creamy taste and there is a mango-like note (or maybe tangerine or lemon) which adds good complexity.  A fine product again which deserves the attention of any fan of American whiskey and its traditions.  Based on the quality of Rendezvous I will certainly seek out this new product.</p>
<p>Gary</p>
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		<title>By: John Hansell</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Hansell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I received this email fro David Perkins today:

&quot;I sent the wrong back label to you. Version control issue. The only difference is that the real Bourye has an additional rye whiskey in it, a 16 year old 53% rye, 37% corn, 10% malt mashbill.&quot;

Something to make note of. There&#039;s two different rye whiskeys in there.

He also sent me an image of the front label, which I included in the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I received this email fro David Perkins today:</p>
<p>&#8220;I sent the wrong back label to you. Version control issue. The only difference is that the real Bourye has an additional rye whiskey in it, a 16 year old 53% rye, 37% corn, 10% malt mashbill.&#8221;</p>
<p>Something to make note of. There&#8217;s two different rye whiskeys in there.</p>
<p>He also sent me an image of the front label, which I included in the post.</p>
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		<title>By: Sjoerd de Haan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sjoerd de Haan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 05:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved the Rendezvous from last year. Let&#039;s hope some of this stuff trickles down to the Netherlands...</description>
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		<title>By: John Hansell</title>
		<link>http://www.whiskyadvocateblog.com/2009/09/28/high-west-bourye-a-blend-of-straight-rye-and-bourbon-whiskeys/#comment-10637</link>
		<dc:creator>John Hansell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam, you are correct. I don&#039;t think we can assume it&#039;s a 50-50 blend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, you are correct. I don&#8217;t think we can assume it&#8217;s a 50-50 blend.</p>
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		<title>By: sam k</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dutch, you assume that this is a 50-50 blend, though it may be a much more disproportionate ratio of one to the other.</description>
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